Outboard resurgence.

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by Skiingstrongman » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:16 am

Tuscany wrote:No problem. If I go with a stern drive, my mind was made up months ago.
As far as experience, have you owned or driven the new VP 380 yet?
Thanks.
I have not. I have driven the merc 380. The dealership, which conveniently is my home marina, has a R5 with the VP380 in it. I will make a stop in for the test drive event they have in May to give it a spin.

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by Tuscany » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:12 pm

That's my point.
We all have experience, but as technology and engine platforms change, our prior experience means nothing.
I have zero experience with the new 6.0l or any new outboard choices.

The 502 GM is Flintstone technology, and as we currently see in the automotive marketplace, there is indeed a replacement for displacement. Variable valve timing, more precise fuel injection, lighter weight, better head technology and alloys. Etc.
Yes, the 8.2l sells today, but I wouldn't touch one because it'll be considered an unefficient and outdated platform that no one will want shortly.

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by Big Block Power » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:19 pm

The 6.0 is old also has far as the auto industry goes. Not sure why they don't use the 6.2l. the problem is the auto is going to direct injection and that had its own set of valve problems. Also multi cam engines in auto. They don't like the rpms that marine use. People like reliability and that's why the good old 4.3 5.7 8.1 is still a good thing to go with. Until Volvo and merc's own engines prove reliable and as good of performance the good old small block and big block have there place. Technology is getting better it won't be long but I don't think anything we have right now people won't want. Like everything else it all costs more. With all the new electronics there using and new engines it's going to be a expensive hobby. I see the issues with today's new engine tech everyday. I hate to see what will happen to them in the marine industry. Mercury stem drive is way down and outboards are way up. Again they all have there place.
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Re: Outboard resurge

Post by Tuscany » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:38 pm

I own both of these engines today.
One in my GMC 2500hd, and the other in my wife's Yukon Denali.
I don't think the 6.0l reliability will enter into the equation. Cast iron blocks are reliable platforms.

My wife's DI 6.2l is a monster engine, but also complicated and aluminum. DI has had its reliability issues, thus the use of the older, simpler gen 1 6.2 for marine use.
The 6.0L (LS) is a proven high mileage, bulletproof design that is a fairly simple and reliable.
Automotive engines like the 8.2l and 6.0 are detuned in a major way for marine use. So, IMO, I don't see long term reliability and an issue at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LS_base ... ock_engine

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by Tuscany » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:18 pm

To finish my post above while being distracted by watching the Bills get crushed by the Jets.
Boating seems to be no different from any other fuel consuming toy.
New boat power options have to be lighter, faster, quicker and more efficient. Thus the lighter, all cast VVT 6.0L stern option that IMO makes the big block obsolete.

To come full circle in this thread, it brings us right back to the original question.
Outboards are now getting to the point where they might be the better play now, and most probably the engine configuration of choice very soon.
Lighter, more efficient and definitely more versatile.
Imagine an R3 or R5 with a 350 outboard?
If the R5 were available with that engine....I think I would bite.

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by liquid » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:28 am

As a Jets fan I can assure you that win was worse than the Bills loss. Stupid Jets can't even tank right...
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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by jhnmdahl » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:11 am

Yet more evidence that big luxury boats are looking harder at outboards, even in the 40+ foot cruiser range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK-qhR--beQ

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by Tuscany » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:07 pm

liquid wrote:As a Jets fan I can assure you that win was worse than the Bills loss. Stupid Jets can't even tank right...
I liken being a Bills fan to the cutting disease,,.
It hurts, its not healthy and its inexplicably stupid, but we can't stop it.

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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by jhnmdahl » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:07 pm

Tuscany, as a Vikings fan, all I can say is we blew four Superbowls first. One of these days we'll win one, but it's looking less and less like it will be in my lifetime...
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Re: Outboard resurgence.

Post by Big Block Power » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:18 pm

Sorry John I would just not say I'm a Vikings fan. lol. Come to the dark side neighbor.lol
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